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Foil Review - F-one SK8 550 vs Escape 630 - What foil is right for you?
A review of the F-one SK8 550 and how it works for kitefoiling. It seemed like the best way to approach this test was to compare it against the Escape 630 - the foil I’ve been riding non-stop for the last 18 months and my favourite kitefoil.
00:00 - Introduction
02:38 - Escape 630 - Design Characteristics
03:58 - SK8 550 - Design Characteristics
06:48 - Sk8 550 - What’s it like to ride?
13:17 - Escape 630 - What is it the foil of choice - Jumping
15:09 - Winging - 550 vs 630 and Chris MacDonald’s comments
16:09 - Winging Crossover - 550 and large SK8s
19:19 - Conclusions - What foil is right for you?
21:08 - Comments and Coaching
The Escape 630 is a classic mid-aspect kitefoil where as the SK8 is a more modern, higher aspect foil designed for winging and surf foiling. I’ve looked at the overall design characteristics of both foils and then tried to relate them back to what you will feel when riding these foils with a kite.
Disclaimer:
Yes, I am an F-one Ambassador, so take that into account with this review but I have tried to be honest and highlight the pro’s and con’s of both these foils. Neither are perfect for everyone in every conditions - so hopefully this review will help people to understand what foil will be the right one for them.
I’ll also cover how the larger SK8 wings (650, 750. 850 & 8950) can cross over between kitefoiling and winging.
Filming in Langebaan, South Africa
Find out more about my coaching videos, private 1:1 coaching and camps:
www.progression.me
F-one SK8 foils: www.f-one.world/product/sk8/
F-one Escape foils: www.f-one.world/product/escape-hm-carbon/
Video clips of Chris MacDonald:
ua-cam.com/video/QH5A-2vpvxQ/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/8SHzzcZK24c/v-deo.html
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Відео

What is Virtual Coaching? With Progression's Rob Claisse
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Find out more & Sign up: www.progression.me/virtual-coaching In this video Progression's Rob Claisse will explain about our new Virtual Coaching service which allows you to submit footage and then get 1:1 coaching with Rob from anywhere in the world. You can also check out our How to Film Yourself video to see how easy it can be to get footage of yourself on the water: ua-cam.com/video/mZ6yJ_0M...
Virtual Coaching: How to Film Yourself
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Find out more & Sign up: www.progression.me/virtual-coaching This video comes different ways you can film yourself if you want to have virtual coaching with Progression’s Rob Claisse. A new service where you submit footage, Rob analyses your mistakes and then you chat through them on a zoom call where he will compare your riding to library footage of himself so you can clearly see what you are ...
Kitefoiling Gybes - Advanced Tip - Push Down on the Bar
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In the FOILING GYBE, finding stability on your board and foil is key. There are lots of elements that will help you to achieve this but I came across this clip today and it shows one great technique you can use - PUSHING the bar into the depower line. Why? Two reasons that work together: 1️⃣ It gives you something to lend on for balance and transfer some of your weight further forward and inboa...
How to get Weight Forward? Beginner Kitefoiling Tips
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It can be easy to say to a new kitefoiler - "Get more weight forwards!" - but how do you actually do that? Many find they take their front hand off the bar to make this happen but it makes controlling the kite far hard, can put other parts of your body into the wrong position and result in other issues in the future. So in this video I'm gonna show you 2 key techniques you can use that will hav...
Kiteboarding Common Mistake - Sheeting In and The Kite Stalling
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Better Foot Changes - 4 Drills for Beginner to Advanced Kitefoilers
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The foiling foot change is hard! So in this video, I’m going to give you 4 different drills (exercises or techniques) that will help you to improve your foil control and better understand the correct movements and body positions needed to crack the foot change once and for all! Whether you are: - new to foot changes and still trying to get your first attempts sorted - stuck getting 3-4 out of 1...
Kitefoiling Tacks - Heel to Toe - It's All In The Hips
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Part 2 in our series on Kitefoiling Tacks and it’s time for the Heel to Toe Tack. This is probably the easiest tack for most people to start with and one where you get push hard throughout even break your foil out of the water without crashing. We’ve already discussed the kite movement in other tacking videos, we’ve played around with the magic bar twist for the Toe to Heel tack so here, in thi...
Big Air Kite League - Cape Town 2021
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What a great day yesterday at the Big Air Kite League event at Dolphin Beach, SA. Amazing to see so many of the top guys still going full send in every heat, even without the chance of any real prize money or becoming the “King”, instead just putting on an amazing show. And hats off to the BAKL for showing you can run a BIG event well, with hard work and no real budget! Here’s a quick edit with...
Toe to Heel Tack - One Tip That Changes Everything - Learning the Kitefoiling Tack Series
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Want to learn the Toe to Heel Tack on your kitefoil? Then you need to watch this video as I've spotted a small but vital technique that will up your success rate massively - hell, it might be just what you need to get around your first tack without getting wet! This is my favorite tack, that feels amazing when you get your body and kite in the correct position and are abe to carve around effort...
KiteSOFAing Episode 6: Surfboard Tacks Kitesurfing
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Learn to progress your kitesurfing from your sofa! Episode 6: Surfboard Tacks - Locked down again? Don’t worry, KiteSOFAing is back! Learn how to tack consistently with the most important tip. In the tack, we often focus so much on the board that we forget the most important element which is the kite and bar movement. It’s so crucial to get the kite right for a successful tack, but quite often ...
3 Key Wingfoiling Tips - Stance, Carving Gybes and the Foot Change
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If you are learning to wingfoil (or wingsurf, same thing, different name) then you will probably come across the same stumbling blocks as Rob did. So in this video he shares 3 key tips he discovered that has helped speed up his progression and hopefully yours too: 00:00 - Introduction 01:40 - Stance: How to get into the correct stance to save energy and exhausted arms! 04:31 - Gybes: The correc...
The Secrets of Foiling Carves - Conversations with Claisse : Kitefoiling Technique
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Find out more at www.progression.me/foiling-gybes-carving-turns Progression's Rob Claisse has just finished our next instruction video, Carving Turns with the kite over the top, and after 18 months, 3 rewrites, 3 filming shoots and endless looping of the same carve over and over again, he's got some great insight which will help you master these foiling carves. Find out the two fundamental area...
Kitefoiling 360 - The Essential Kite and Bar Techniques
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Learning to 360 on a kitefoil is a popular trick for anyone foilers looking to move on from gybes, it's also a great stepping stone to tacking and it just feels great when you pull it off! But to do it properly and consistently you need to properly understand how to fly the kite through the whole manoeuvre. Having the kite riding with you will make all the difference transforming your 360's fro...
Why Buy a Progression Video?
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Why Buy a Progression Video?
KiteSOFAing Episode 5: Carbon Mast for Kitefoiling
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KiteSOFAing Episode 5: Carbon Mast for Kitefoiling
KiteSOFAing Episode 04: Riding Toeside
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KiteSOFAing Episode 04: Riding Toeside
KiteSOFAing Episode 3: The Foot Change
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KiteSOFAing Episode 3: The Foot Change
KiteSOFAing Episode 2: Looping the Kite
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KiteSOFAing Episode 2: Looping the Kite
KiteSOFAing Episode 1: Board Grabs
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KiteSOFAing Episode 1: Board Grabs
Learning to Kitefoil - No. 1 Bad Habit - Fix This and Become a Better kitefoiler!
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Learning to Kitefoil - No. 1 Bad Habit - Fix This and Become a Better kitefoiler!
Kitefoiling Camp in Soma Bay, Egypt with Progression Live Coaching
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Kitefoiling Camp in Soma Bay, Egypt with Progression Live Coaching
My First Kitefoiling Grabbed Strapless Air landing on the Foil - Rob Claisse, Progression Coach
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My First Kitefoiling Grabbed Strapless Air landing on the Foil - Rob Claisse, Progression Coach
Improve your Kitesurfing - 3 Tips for the Heel to Toe Powered Carve - How-to Video
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Improve your Kitesurfing - 3 Tips for the Heel to Toe Powered Carve - How-to Video
Learning to Kitefoil - 3 Tips for the Rise and Glide - How-to Video
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Learning to Kitefoil - 3 Tips for the Rise and Glide - How-to Video
What's it like learning to Kitefoil? An interview with Michelle and Caroline - Progression Live
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What's it like learning to Kitefoil? An interview with Michelle and Caroline - Progression Live
Kitefoiling Gybes - Preview for the Upcoming How-to videos
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Kitefoiling Gybes - Preview for the Upcoming How-to videos
5 Tip for Learning to Waterstart Strapless on a Kite Foil
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5 Tip for Learning to Waterstart Strapless on a Kite Foil
Spot the Mistakes - Foiling First Gybes - THE ANSWERS
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Spot the Mistakes - Foiling First Gybes - THE ANSWERS
Spot the Mistake - Foiling First Gybes
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Spot the Mistake - Foiling First Gybes

КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @AKJammer1
    @AKJammer1 6 днів тому

    After watching your videos on Gybes and Foot Swaps (and successfully completing them), I'm now working on tacks. The 360 is supposed to be a good intermediate step so I'm starting here. In the video you don't mention which hand does the pulling when sheeting in. It appears to be the back hand doing most everything, which would be the same as in a tack, is that the case?

  • @Achtenvijftig
    @Achtenvijftig 6 днів тому

    This is the best kitefoil content I’ve seen. Although a serious threat to my wallet; gotta get myself a business foil now…

  • @Gilloup
    @Gilloup 11 днів тому

    What mast length did you use with both planes ? If I conversely wish to use the escape 630 at wingfoiling to increase riding speed, what length of mast do I need ?

  • @hellisme66
    @hellisme66 12 днів тому

    i have a 1250 Hs (armstrong) front wing, do you think it s too big for this trick or it s my excuse on my failed attempts?

  • @gcammar
    @gcammar 21 день тому

    I wingfoil on waves and donwinders in Maui (no jumps). I used to own Escape 630 and 530, but sold them both because not ideal for those two disciplines. Then I bought a SK8 550 and it was too small even for my 72kg. You need at least head high and steep if you want to ride flagging the wing. As soon as you loose some steepness, it wants to come down. So I sold that too and bought a SK8 650 with is absolutely perfect for wave riding instead. It's the smoothest foil I've ever ridden. I couple it with either XXXS 160 or XS 140, both are great. Cheers.

  • @krzysztofbaran2985
    @krzysztofbaran2985 25 днів тому

    great video, thanks!

  • @Frozenguy1
    @Frozenguy1 Місяць тому

    Perfect! I wrote a different comment, but I rewatched the video and you answered my question! My quiver will be 530 Escape, 750 Sk8 and 940 Phantom S for now for both wing & kite. Might exchange the Phantom S for a Sk8 950 some day, but am afraid it might be too large for freestyle (and break). 95 kgs.

  • @zaherfavorite
    @zaherfavorite Місяць тому

    Regards. How can i buy your videos or online versions?

  • @107honda
    @107honda Місяць тому

    How do you have your carbon mast bolted to that aluminum fuselage ?I didn’t think that was possible

  • @scrameck
    @scrameck Місяць тому

    Hi Rob, I am 85kg. Advance rider, strapless, looking for hydrofoil new gear, but ONLY for light winds, between 8 and 18 knots. Why the larger available size of the escape is only 630 ? Why not having a larger size for light winds to focus on new trick, without the need of looping your kite to restart and go? Thank you! Cheers

  • @choppy3547
    @choppy3547 Місяць тому

    I agree with others .... wish you could compare say Armstrong vs Lift vs F one ...etc etc especially for us kitefoilers need special help as the sport is all wing and prone these days.... Question:: What foil would your bring for say Maui North Shore summer medium wave and open swell? thanks Josh

  • @choppy3547
    @choppy3547 Місяць тому

    best foil review ever!!!

  • @thesnowboardscientist3587
    @thesnowboardscientist3587 Місяць тому

    This is an amazing kiting progression video. Wow. I can't believe it took this long for the UA-cam algorithm to recommend this to me. Thank you!

  • @mashimisha
    @mashimisha Місяць тому

    Three questions: Do you sell a more detailed video of 360s? I couldn't find one on your site. Is the reason for sheeting in the bat to provide lift or is it to accelerate the kite through downloop? I am trying this on a Flysurfer Soul 6m. Should I adjust the process of sheeting the bar in to avoid backstalling the kite?

  • @celinetonio6620
    @celinetonio6620 Місяць тому

    Conclusion: Escape for the North Sea - it’s always choppy !! 😁

  • @bekiteitapema
    @bekiteitapema Місяць тому

    show

  • @inthefuns
    @inthefuns Місяць тому

    Still can’t do it, but I do appreciate great instruction!

  • @ShannonHartnett-117
    @ShannonHartnett-117 Місяць тому

    So is this dvd good for a complete noob, who has had 1 instructed lesson and has all their own gear ready to go out and self learn, i dont want to take another kite lesson due to how darn expensive the lessons are ive been studying youtube alot on kite boarding and feel confident enough to get out and try it solo i grew up flying stunt kites as a kid into my teens so that helped me with the first lesson i even got upto single hand control down and upwind body dragging.

  • @TheFabricOfReality
    @TheFabricOfReality Місяць тому

    This move just doesn’t compute I really got to figure this one out

  • @claudiomarques2566
    @claudiomarques2566 2 місяці тому

    Great tips, I would like to know your developments from there, after this seven days we got stuck on a plateau learning curve

  • @ecoSysteo
    @ecoSysteo 2 місяці тому

    I dont remember when the escape 630 was on the market ? 2023 ?

  • @zenflare
    @zenflare 2 місяці тому

    Great instructions, especially with the flipping of the wrist to redirect the kite. Another point is that you need to sheet out fully, which is something that I don't really do.

  • @peteribs5643
    @peteribs5643 2 місяці тому

    very good review Rob, nice work, big thank from France 1 question: Do you use standard bandit or S version for kitefoil ?

  • @vincentaa7825
    @vincentaa7825 2 місяці тому

    Best foil review I've seen.....and I've seen a few 😅

  • @scrameck
    @scrameck 2 місяці тому

    Great video, Bob! Without your progression videos, my learning time would have been much longer! I noticed you use a standard pocket board. Have you tried also the custom model? Thank you

    • @progressionsports
      @progressionsports 2 місяці тому

      Only used the standard pockets, love them and never felt the need to try the customs. And the pockets are bomb proof which works for me!

  • @phantomfreckle
    @phantomfreckle 2 місяці тому

    Great review and really enjoyed the technical content. Maybe F-One should take you to their factory to get you to give an interview on their progression. Escape ❤ for me

  • @youhavequasp
    @youhavequasp 2 місяці тому

    How I wish I was in Langebaan right now :)

  • @phildaintree2794
    @phildaintree2794 2 місяці тому

    great video Rob. I kite strapless on axis foils HPS650 which seems similar is span (650mm) and aspect ratio (6.68) to the Escape 630 and ART699 which is closer to the SK8550, 699mm span AR 9 area 543cm2, Both get me up in 8 knots with 12m foil kite (83kg). Because the ART699 glides like crazy the turning circle is much bigger but it is fast. I like the carvability of the HPS650

    • @progressionsports
      @progressionsports 2 місяці тому

      That is super interesting, thanks for sharing. Sounds like similar styles of foils to the f-ones. Amazing how these small foils are still great in light winds, with a bit of work and persistence 💪

  • @nicolapescasio2316
    @nicolapescasio2316 2 місяці тому

    I'm really interested at this topic...I'm using F-one gear for wingfoil and I wanted to enter the F-one world also with the kitefoil...BUT as I ride kite foil only strapless in light wind condiitions (8-15kn) and 'm 85kg whiche foil size do you recommend? I don't care so much the speed, I care more the bottom end, to carve around, the agility...

    • @progressionsports
      @progressionsports 2 місяці тому

      650/750/850 would all work but just depends on your kite skills and kite foil skills. The more advanced your level the smaller you can go. I haven’t used any of these yet but my gut says 750 will be a good already foil for allot of people in a wide range of conditions. The 850 would be the better option if you want to make the most of really light stuff 8-12 knots. I’m hoping to get some of these foils to see how they all work in different conditions.

    • @peteribs5643
      @peteribs5643 2 місяці тому

      fone mirage 800 of course !

  • @blooskyy7
    @blooskyy7 2 місяці тому

    Thanks for sharing your insights into foil sizes. I strapless kite and wing foil too and this is super interesting.

  • @giorgio4660
    @giorgio4660 2 місяці тому

    Amazing. Thanks. Shame that you use only f-one equipment, comparisons between foils madeby you would be crazyyy.

    • @progressionsports
      @progressionsports 2 місяці тому

      You never know, could be very interesting to compare some different brand foils 🤔

  • @rafinhakite
    @rafinhakite 2 місяці тому

    Muito bom!

  • @manuelzurbuchen3898
    @manuelzurbuchen3898 2 місяці тому

    Dear Rob, thanks for the video. I drive the SK8 650 with the 200 Back Wing. I am extremely enthusiastic, the larger back wing makes a big difference. The best foil I've driven so far. All the best from Switzerland 🇨🇭

    • @progressionsports
      @progressionsports 2 місяці тому

      Have you ever tried it with a smaller rear wing?

    • @manuelzurbuchen3898
      @manuelzurbuchen3898 2 місяці тому

      @@progressionsports yep, it came with a 160 wing. I didn't feel well. The 200 Wing makes a big difference, think the tuning is so perfect. Maybe the 180 aswell

    • @peteribs5643
      @peteribs5643 2 місяці тому

      You mean in kitefoil ? so 200 back wing is better than the reommended 180 by F One

    • @manuelzurbuchen3898
      @manuelzurbuchen3898 2 місяці тому

      @@peteribs5643 Korrekt, in Kite Foil 👌🏼

  • @kountchev1
    @kountchev1 2 місяці тому

    great!!! thanxx!

  • @pixeldrew
    @pixeldrew 2 місяці тому

    Kite foiling is so much more fun for bigger guys riding powered. I can see the appeal of winging if I had decent waves but give me strapless kite foiling any day.

    • @progressionsports
      @progressionsports 2 місяці тому

      Definitely. Though winging is getting easier but nice to have a level playing field with all that power the kite offers!

  • @narutolis1
    @narutolis1 2 місяці тому

    Amazing explanation! Now i know which one to get!

  • @richyandliz4802
    @richyandliz4802 2 місяці тому

    Thankyou ! Im 1 year on from taking your ski stance tip and its helped me loads. It really taught me the balance point to use as a foundation for the flying foot switches. Im switching like a dream now 😊

    • @progressionsports
      @progressionsports 2 місяці тому

      Awesome, you’re so right, get a better feeling for the balance point and you start to get a better overall feeling for the foil, giving confidence to move around. So much of improving is simple gain confidence! Keep it up, good for switches is a game changer to opening up your overall kitefoiling performance 🤘

  • @tichi72
    @tichi72 3 місяці тому

    ski position sucks

  • @esnyder77
    @esnyder77 3 місяці тому

    Thanks

  • @AKJammer1
    @AKJammer1 4 місяці тому

    Can you post that, or at least a few of them, in standard motion? I’d like to see if you’re popping up at all or doing anything with the kite. It doesn’t look like any kite or bar work, but can’t tell if you’re popping the board. Looks great, this is a goal of mine.

  • @thomasr7776
    @thomasr7776 4 місяці тому

    Super vidéo pédagogique !!

  • @freeupminds
    @freeupminds 4 місяці тому

    U can do that with a twintip ?

  • @raedy07
    @raedy07 5 місяців тому

    great tip, works for me; kind of gives me a solid stance and i can apply more pressure on d board and finish d gybe before loosing line-tension :)

  • @rogerdodger3125
    @rogerdodger3125 6 місяців тому

    Awesome info cheers

  • @Theoasis58
    @Theoasis58 6 місяців тому

    incredibol

  • @andreatopcat8180
    @andreatopcat8180 6 місяців тому

    excellent job! Thank you!!

  • @Wightkitesurfer
    @Wightkitesurfer 8 місяців тому

    Top notch skills and ability to give great tips

  • @robertrecco710
    @robertrecco710 8 місяців тому

    brought your foil videos well done worth every penny when will you make a volume two video for sell on 360/180/roll tack/heal to regular you get the drift from your video I learn to foil in six months already strapless pocket foil board and turning and some foot switchs thanks again hope you consider volume 2

  • @Gilloup
    @Gilloup 9 місяців тому

    Forcing to weigh on the front feet by extending the forward arm is a great advice, thank you. But jibing remains hard for somebody who discovers only at exit riding in reversed stance. Any life saving tip to remain on board at the exit ? I don't find anything on internet about how to keep one's balance in switched stance.

  • @raedy07
    @raedy07 9 місяців тому

    @5:20 this exactly doesn't work for me. in light winds i have to turn upwind asap in order not to catch up with kite and loose line-tension. my problem is to point d board upwind quickly enough